My take on Psychology Today article

15 Aug

 Having read Dr. Linda Young’s article posted in PschologyToday.com on August 13, 2010 carefully, I like that she encourages Black women – Asian men relationships in the first sentence because, as she rationalizes, they “have something big in common.”

However, the statistics and polemics she uses in the subsequent paragraphs don’t bring up the commonalities that encourage such relationships. In fact, all the negative stuff is used about BW & AM statistically while comparing them with white women, white men, Black men, and Asian women – all of which have different degrees/histories of sexuality in America than Black women and Asian men. One glaring area that is not mentioned in the article: the discussion of Black women-Asian men relationships on the internet in the social sites as well as blogs and micro-blogs and discussion boards. No, that does not show marriage figures but it does show traffic indicating interest as do the T.V. shows like FlashForward, movies (from Romeo Must Die onward) and commercials and media videos showing Black women-Asian men pairings in recent years. One thing I wish the article didn’t do was compare Asian men to white men as well as Black men and compare Black women to white women and Asian women. All of these folks have had different sexualization and social treatment throughout American history in media and other influential institutions. And thus, since the article does rightly point out, that dating and marriage choices have not been a “level playing field” then why compare Asian men and Black women the way the article did.

Not sure at this point how the article’s first sentence connects to everything else in it. Maybe someone can point that out to me?

Below is the link and full text of the article which I encourage readers to comment about and of course I encourage comments about my comments too:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-in-limbo/201008/unequal-love-across-the-color-line

Unequal Love Across The Color Line

When looking for love, black women and Asian men have something big in common.

Published on August 13, 2010

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-in-limbo/201008/unequal-love-across-the-color-line

Stories about black women, marriage and interracial relationships have always generated controversy, strong opinions and stereotyped assumptions. Just this week Dr Laura took a call from a black female caller married to a white man who wanted to know how to handle ignorant and racist remarks from his family and neighbors. Schlessinger said “If you’re that hypersensitive about color and don’t have a sense of humor don’t marry out of your race”. 

The other day I got a comment from “Brenda” about my High-Achieving Black Women and Marriage: Not Choosing Or Not Chosen?  piece in which I supported openness to interracial partners.  She said: “was this whole article to help you rationalize why some young stud couldnt be bothered with you?”  Wow, not only is she waaaaaaay off, but her comment reminded me of the darts that are also aimed at Asian men when they wonder if they’re being sidelined in love.  Black women and Asian men have some things in common in this arena so today I want to dig deeper into interracial relationships and the interesting ground that black women and Asian men share.  

 Interracial Marriage

The Pew Research organization recently published a report on interracial marriages (Marrying Out) using data from the 2008 U.S. Census Current Population Survey and one striking statistic jumped out at me. Interracial marriages in general have been rising exponentially since state bans on them were lifted in 1967 – but they haven’t been rising at all evenly. A breakdown by race (self-identified) and gender turns up one glaring difference. Black women and Asian men are far less likely to marry interracially or inter-ethnically than Black men or Asian women.
There is no gender gap for white and Latino newlyweds, but nearly a quarter of black men wed someone of a different race or ethnicity in 2008 while only about 9% of black women did. The opposite gender difference was true for Asians. Twice as many Asian female newlyweds out-married as Asian men. And it’s not just newlyweds – the same mirror-opposite gender gaps appeared in the full census in 2000 among blacks and Asians. In three quarters of Asian/white marriages the husband was white but in about three quarters of black/white marriages the wife was white.

Steve Sailor found that the interracial gender gap was even sharper for cohabiting black couples. Five times as many black men were living with white women as white men living with black women, and a little over twice as many white men cohabited with Asian women as Asian men cohabited with white women.

When income was factored into a 2000 study1, the authors found that as black male income increased, interracial marriages increased proportionally until at the highest income level ($100,000 and above) nearly 50% of black men were married to non-black women. The same study found (after statistically controlling other factors) that in metropolitan areas in which larger percentages of black men were married to non-black women, black women were less likely to be married than in other cities . So the complaints we hear from black women about their “most eligible” men being “taken” by non-black women are grounded in some real disparities.

No Level Playing Field in Online Dating and Mating

Whether online or face-to-face, mate selection has certainly never been a level playing field. Those in high demand can afford to be pickiest and those in low demand may feel pressured to relax their standards or risk not being chosen (and sometimes staying single is a sweeter option). How does this play out by race?

Since online dating sites have become so widely used we can see how people really choose potential partners versus how they say they do. The OK Cupid blog, user data from their dating website is analyzed in fascinating ways. The good news is, heterosexual daters’ profiles reveal that members of all races and ethnicities have essentially equal “match percentages”, or degree to which other users have desired responses to their questions. So if race is not a factor in decision-making users should send evenly distributed responses to interested parties of all races. If a same-race partner is preferred, there are equal opportunities for desirable matches.

The bad news is, only responses to black women turned out to be significantly skewed. White, Asian-American, Native American, Latino, Middle Eastern, Pacific Islander and black men all wrote back to African-American women at about a 20% lower rate than they did to all other races and ethnicities! (Yes, even black men sent fewer responses to black women than all other women). At least the Asian guys weren’t being given short shrift on this site.

On OK Cupid, black women and white men seemed to be adjusting their standards according to their popularity. Black women received the fewest emails and responded to the most, while White men received the most emails and responded to the fewest. Black, Asian and gay people are disproportionately more likely to use online dating services in general, which could also be in reaction to perceived scarcity of desirable partners using more traditional ways of meeting.

Even though the OK Cupid results reflect the behavior of over a million online daters, each dating site draws somewhat different demographics. OK Cupid has a reputation for attracting a young, nerdy-cool, highly educated crowd. How about more broadly used dating sites? In a Yahoo personals study done at UC Irvine, 91% of members claimed to have no race preference for their matches but white men who dated interracially selected Asian and Latino dating partners significantly more often than black women and Asian men were the least preferred matches for white women. Yup, not a level playing field.

In a speed dating study using Columbia University grad students, white, black and Hispanic women were all far more likely to say no to Asian men than all other men. While various surveys have shown that women in general have a stronger preference than men do for same-race partners, the Asian women in the Columbia sample didn’t show a greater preference for Asian men. Black women strongly preferred black men but the black men didn’t reciprocate their level of interest to nearly the same degree2.

The same gender difference show up in interracial sex. In a major sex survey of over 3000 people called Sex in America that was done twenty years ago, ten times more single white women than single white men reported that their most recent sex partner was black.

And then there’s porn. Asian males are notoriously absent, which could be due to their general lack of interest in participating in these films, but Asian Studies Professor Darrell Hamamoto sees it differently.  He was so peeved about what he called the de-sexualization of Asian men in films (in Hollywood as well as porn industry) that he produced his own porn film called Skin on Skin, using an entirely Asian cast. As UCLA professor Russell Leong put it: “Asian men can kick butt, but they can’t have a kiss.”  Reader, I challenge you to count the number of Asian male romantic leads in major American (non martial arts) films on more than one hand.  I’m just starting to see a change on the small screen but the big screen is a tough nut to crack.

The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same?

Given all that Asian men and black women have in common on the interracial love and marriage front one might think that they would pair up in love more frequently – but they are the least likely interracial match of all.  When Sandra “Pepa” Denton chose Tom Lo as her Mr Right on reality show, Let’s Talk About Pep, it was ground-breaking.  It’s obvious that we’re not living in a post-racial society when it comes to love and marriage.   Here are the main theories I’ve heard to explain the gender differences in Asian and black interracial relationships.

  1. Legacy of slavery contributed to African-American male idealization of white women as forbidden fruit and status symbols.
  2. As slaves, black women were raped as the property of white men and have ongoing aversions of white men as a result.  
  3. Because black men have been oppressed by white men, black women are taught to have “stand by your man at all costs” loyalty to them.
  4. Evolutionary mate selection theorists say height, hairiness, and larger penises are associated with greater masculinity.  Petiteness and long hair are associated with femininity. Asian men are shorter and less hairy (on average) than black or white men. Black women have shorter natural hair and have slightly greater muscle and bone density (on average) than other women. So Asian men are viewed as less masculine than others and black women are viewed as less feminine than others.  Black and Asian penis size myths are perpetuated even though they have been debunked in various scientific studies.
  5. Stereotypes about Asian submissiveness and black aggressiveness fuel assumptions about what partners will be most “masculine” and “feminine”, and who will be the bad body and good girl.
  6. White standards of beauty devalue black women and Asian men and our media embrace these standards.  

What do you think? What has been your experience?

References

1. Can Intermarriage Make You Smarter and Richer? May 27, 1999 http://www.stats.org/newsletters/9708/interrace2.htm 

2. Racial Preferences in Dating (2008). Fisman, R., Iyengar, S., Kamenica, E. & Simonson, I. Review of Economic Studies 75, 117-132

Copyright 2010, Linda R. Young, All rights reserved

3 Responses to “My take on Psychology Today article”

  1. D.E. Love August 16, 2010 at 4:22 am #

    I don’think the author intended to talk about the commonalities of Asian men and Black women. I think she just intended to talk about interracial relationships in general in accordance with the PEW research organization’s info from 2008 census bureau and a few online dating sites. I don’t blame her for trying to pull the readership into the article by enticing them with the title of the article. However, I wish she had included some positive information about interracial relationships between Black women and Asian men.

  2. Ankhesen August 17, 2010 at 8:45 pm #

    I really wish she hadn’t rehashed negativities & stats we already knew. She really needed to discuss Afro-Asian relations without bringing up white people at all. These relations have existed for centuries and need to be explored on their merit.

  3. Hmm.. September 1, 2010 at 7:02 pm #

    The numbered theories listed were not very accurate.
    Not all Asian men are built small framed and tiny…neither do all black women have short “natural” hair (whatever that means)
    You have stereotyped both Asian men and Black women.
    There is enough stereotyping out there already…

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